I deleted one spell from the spell secton, because besides of some good spells it had, it was also acting like a model pack, with models from wc3s and thehubb, the only refference to the source of those models where the sites names.
I pmd Leopard (the author of the spell map) about this, and explained the reasons I deleted it. Saying some stuff including this:
VexorianThe goblin mini town map was removed because it is against the model rule.
At least for The Heavy bot model, you never asked permission to Mc!
But it got specially removed because: - The soldier model was included for no reason. - You included a model from thehubb without permission.
Thehubb is a conmunity of artists that like to see wc3search as a noob central that loves to leech their models, so to avoid trouble I deleted it.
- Another thing : models don't belong to sites, they belong to their authors, you should state the author of the models instead of where you downloaded it.
If you want to re upload your map either: - Remove imported models/icons. Or - Get permission from every author and Name him on the credits of the map.
The actual reason I am moving the private messanging into this public forum is that Leopard's response seemed like a good question that has to be answered in a public place so more people figure out.
Leopard
Ok, ok, i get it. But i've got a question:
if i download a model or spell or any resource from wc3sear.ch and use it in my map, am i need a permission from the creator or just put his/her name on credit without any ask before?
Actually, i had already downloaded some models and plan to use them in my in progress map. And i don't know who the creator for which model because there is no readme on it (almost). So, can you give me suggestion what should i do if i want to use this model on my map, not spell?
thanks for your answer.
To answer this: * When an author uploads any resource to an open site like wc3search, he agrees with it to be used on any map, if he doesn't like that, he shouldn't upload it. * BUT and it is a great BUT, the author doesn't lose some important rights unless he states that in a readme file saying specifically that he is not interested in keeping them:
The Rights of a Resource's Author - For a resource to be used on any map, The creator of the map is FORCED to state that the resource was made by another specific person or group, stating the person's name in the credits. - For a resource to be used on AN OPEN SOURCE MAP, DOWNLOAD PLACE or RESOURCE PACKAGE the Creator of the map HAS TO GIVE THE APPROPIATE PERMISSION.} - A map creator may modiffy another user's resource. If it is needed to fit his map's needs. BUT HE SHALL NOT RELEASE the modiffied version of the resource on a download area, open source map, resource package or anything UNLESS the RESOURCE CREATOR(s) gave him the permission
same with maps! If people download a map and modify it then they should leave a good amount of credit for them. They should also ask permission before the edit!
Unfortunately it's very hard to get the track of someone's resource, since there are so many maps/resources. Anyway, is the site protected by law or something like that? Cuz if it isn't, I wouldn't really expect a drastic improvement.
Okay, here's the deal. When someone posts a model/skin TO THE PUBLIC, they automatically give permission for everyone to use it unless stated otherwise (which would still defeat the purpose if they posted it to the public, then say the public cant use it). So there should never be a reason to ask permission from a resourse maker who posted their resourse to the public to use it for one's map. That's no different then asking a map maker if they can have permission to download their map that is posted in our public map archive. If the hubb's models were posted for public use, and someone uploads their map into our archive using those models, I personally have no problem with it, as long as its not blatently an unprotected "get all hubb models here" map like vex seems to be describing. But otherwise it would be silly to post a rule saying "no maps that use models from the hubb."
If they werent posted for public use, then that's a different story...
Uploading of models better always and only be done by the resourse maker, not a resourse downloader. That's an enforced rule here. Editing of someone else's work should never be done without permission. Giving credits is only a curtousy. It should be a requirement, but we have no way to enforce that short of deleting every map that uses costom materials and didnt give credits to the authors...
Easy answer: If you don't want people to use your resourses, then don't make them. Al long as we don't post their resourses for download, I don't see why the hubb should be upset if the mappers here use them. -VGsatomi
If I can join the discussion... A little question :
If I make a large campaign, and make a separate credits map, can I give credits there? It would destroy the whole campaign if I just repeat on every map : hgfhigjhi model by ...... erptoeptoproe by ..... stirjtrit spell by ..... original by .....
Actually, what you said is the ideal way to give credits to resource authors. Repeating the credits in every map is a nuisance.
And adding on to what VGsatomi said, if the author requists credit then you should do it. We can't force you to do it, but if the resource author complains and gives me your screen name on the site I will ban you to prevent from further downloading on the site.
SeaGull1723Maybe Afro. But I've already noticed how people just take resources and put them in their maps without giving credit.
Good summary, Vexorian. Hopefully people will respond better.
yer i agree, don't you hate it when someone steals ur essay. A one question, is Darky28 a game developer or game reviewer or something? i have heard his name in some magazines.
If it is a campaign , then the credits for every single map are the credits of the campaign, noted that?
And no, people should always credit resource authors unless they state it is not needed. It is not the opposite as you should only give credits if they specify that.
