HOW WOULD YOU COMPETE WITH DOTA?

i think the best way to create a competitive aos is the invention of some unique concepts/ideas which change gameplay dramaticly. e.g. tgs and eota have very interesting ideas which increase the fun a lot

nonono LaoshRa, tgs is shit

It's real simple if you want to compete with Dota.

Just don't play the damn map...

I don't really get how the map gets hosted so much, it sucks balls, and the guys who host it are terribly addicted to it.

the worst part about DOTA is the community, also if you notice most of the people who said the liked dota spoke with horrible spelling, grammar and their speech was awful. I'm tempted to make a new version of DOTA with f***'d up features and host it on bnet.

My opinion

In my opinion, it's not the game that is horrible, its the people who play it. Yesterday, one of my friends played a DOTA game trying it for the first time. After the game this punk comes into our clan channel and starts cussing and presenting racist comments to my friend. This kid would not stop. I swear, it was as if the world had come to an end. My friend and I were practically stunned. My best friend was being put down and spoken poorly to, just because he thought, it was my friend's fault that their team lost... Come on folks, its just a game. That's probably why so many dislike Dawn of the Ancients.

DotA is only good because its been around for so long. The original DotA was good back in the day because it was one of the first to use working custom skins and models in Reign of Chaos. The new DotA kinda sucks but people play it because its the only updated version of DotA.

The only way to compete with DotA is to stop making AoS so complicated and improve gameplay, not models and spells.

Old DotA? You really think these who play Allstars even know about RoC one?

i remember playig RoC dota for the first time, i think i got that doom guard character somehow, anyway at some point i didnt know everyone but me had left the game and i didnt have a clue, this was in the time my heart would beat faster every time my DH reached lv 6 in single player vs an AI (on a 6 player map, 1v1). looking back at it, leavers have always been a part of dota (nothing new here).

after reading this thread i am afraid to say that i enjoy to play Dota (in non-local banlist games).
in order to try to sympathize with the majority of the posters in this thread, my experience with public dota games (including the ones with local banlists) is that there is usually atleast 1 person who dies early and leaves, there is almost no communication inbetween the teams themselves and everyone generally attack moves untill they can oooobviously own another hero. in local-banlist games i usually get bad ping and the host usually whispers me with u have been banned (After leaving a 3v5-ish game). i have insulted a few of them by saying that i dont want to look at them wank over their kill ratio or godlike streak.

what puts me off pub dota games is:

• that i am usually the only one that will play to win and put my back into it, keeping 2 hands at the keyboard and carefully timing my attacks for that +45 ish gold from creeps (in addition to killing my creeps to force the other player to leave in frustration).
  
• if i dont however manage to win, for whichever bad excuse i sometimes face a situation where i keep playing with a grudge because it is a banlist game (and i cant be sure if he bans me for leaving a 3v5).
  
• the "u noob" attitude, the need to insult others for doing something wrong, the =D emotes from your opponents each time they manage to kill your hero
  
• the phenomena of players that stop playing seriously and generally put up a worse performance after they think (according to what they say) their team sucks but that they cant leave because tey'll be banned.
  
• the lazy attitude, specificly shown by the selling of leaver items, when a player leaves, items get sold and people will even insult you for using the leaver (not the items).
  
• bad banlist-hosts, both pingwise and in the way they ban. pingwise as in they (from what i see) "need" banlist to get people to play under their 800+ ping and in the way they ban as in, banning people on a 3 player versus 5. (refer to the wanking insult)
  
• a lot of the fun potential is wasted by a "bad" community, refer to no communication, insults and other bad details.
  
• sore loosers (my team sucks, they really do)
  

however the statement of "DOTASUCKS!!!!" is just wrong in atleast 25 different ways:

• Dota has a (relatively) worldwise popularity rating that is greater then any other custom map of today
  
• many aspects revolving around dota have evolved and been invented, namely Banlist.
  
• dota has been around since roc (at some point) and more and more people follow it each day
  
• a dota game is the least frustrating to get started, now before you disagree on this compare it to a map that isnt popular but still good, it will fill up but most of the people dont stay for longer then 5 minutes.
  
• dota doesnt need a tutorial, most of the players already know how to play
  
• dota doesnt cause splits or disconnects (yet)
  
• dota(allstars) is supported continually, many obviously bad issues are corrected within weeks.
  
• the scale of skill of dota players is mostly favored toward the midle of it, this means that certain overpowered heros dont get recognized as such because people dont know how to play them, this results in varied and thus fun play.
  
• dota has an active community, i dont think anyone can argument against this one.
  

Well, people certainly are...opinionated about Defence of the Ancients.

As has been said, DotA has some balance problems. As has also been said, DotA has a vast and devoted following. Therefore any map that would 'compete' with DotA cannot simply be a fix or rebalance or reterrain, or even replace all of the heroes and abilities. It needs some new hook or innovative concept that draws people in. Just being a better DotA than DotA won't dent the map's popularity.

Blade.dk2I truly hope I'll never sink as low as I would have to compete with dota.

It's, in my opinion, a shining example of an unbalanced map, made by a person with an extremely bad fantasy, it's like 204% of it has been in other maps before.

Also I hate the selfproclamed "dota-pros" attitudes, like "yeah, I can play dota, I'm just so freaking good, I got to get a medal for being able to kick everyone who hates the map." (uhm, sorry dota freaks)

I wonder what's the IQ of the average Battle.netter.

Whenever an advanced, funny challenging map is hosted at Battle.net, people says it suck cos they're too dumb to figure out the accursed objective even though it's listed somewhere in the map, usually in the quests menu. But when a pile of junk, like dota, every retarded B.netter gets amazed and drops his entire life to play it. Sorry if I offended anyone, this is just the extreme version of my opinion, offending wasn't my intention.

You offended me, saying you weren't trying to offend someone is like a white man going up to a black man and saying "Yo negro, i don;t mean to offend you, but you can't get this job because your black"

You'r acting like DotA is an 'evil' force thats 'brain washing' people, do you want to know why DotA is so populary?

Its fun.

Not only that, the number of heroes makes a long lasting game, i used to hate DotA, think that the heroes were 'rigged' as i remember one of the first times i played, Zeus with one item, (it was the staff thing that makes the sepcter, sold all my other items to buy it) i was suck a NOOB.

Ok, on to the next quote

FullaWell as said already, the map is very ineffciient. Ill elaborate.

- Heroes are unbalanced, some r sick/godlike the others are simply a pile of ****.
- Half the spells are NOT custom, just been given a differnet name
- So many heroes have the same spells, how many heroes have stormbolt, vampiric attack, ctritical strike...
- The creeps dont share out the gold, WHY?? its so stupid that you have to try to time the kills so you get them in stead of creeps/allys.
- When you kill the buildings the creeps still spawn..??? Whats the point in killing the buildings.
- You cant upgrade or improve your teams creeps in anyways, e.g. make a 2nd rax for additional units, or research a spell for them to use.
- There are 5 heroes each side but only 3 lanes....??
- If someone leaves the game is generally ruined, sure you get his share of gold, but you no longer can get the gold he would farm were he still in game.

Anyways im sure theres many more things, but I'll just leave it at that.

I know every1 says this , but im making a DOTA map based from MTG/magic myself. This map really will set the new "template".

That Aots map, I thought was impressive, very nice descriptions on heroes/abilities.
Overall I think the map is alittle to big, would be better if its smaller.
Im not sure if theres any new versions out, but it needs more content

1:The 'riggarded' heroes happen 90% of the time because someone is feeding them ruthlessly, probably you >_>

2:And? it doesn't make it any less fun, so stfu

3:Look at 2 only with noob added at the end

4:FINALY, A VALID REASON, of course its so small it doesn't really matter at all, still, theres hope here!

5:Have you even got to an end of a DotA game!??! (Doubt it, you probably feed Clinkz then scream inbal and leave) when you kill both things your creeps get like 40+ dmg and some hp and armor, if you kill them all it can win the game for you

6:Because this is how it works, creeps are even, plus they upgrade over time and as said in 5 they get improved when you killed the barracks

7: Because that is how it works

8:Not true, me and my friend got in a 2v5 game, at the end it was 2v2 and we were part of the begining 5, i was Lion and i forgot who my friend was, so a leaver can't 'ruin' the game.

Ok to compete with dota this is what you need.

A good dota still map with anything orignal or inventive (world of warcraft battlegrounds has been the best contender by far and could of topped dota if crazyfrog uploaded it here because it took forever to dl off someone and you would normally bee kicked. plus game is horribly slow at start.) changing of skins, terrain objectives mini missions etc etc.

then all you have to do is host it as often as you can and put it up on the site. and give it a cool name.

Eziekiel_Ragethen all you have to do is host it as often as you can and put it up on the site. and give it a cool name.

+ Host alot of Download only's.