Greenday Fans Or Not

oh no Teppana!

*blergh*

thats the thing i like about the France, perhaps, they are the last country who is not completely infested by the american poison

i cant say nothing since, Mexico is infested to the very core...we breath america, we drink america (coke), we eat america (mcdonald's), we see america (hollywood movies), we hear america (c'mon half of your favorite bands are american!), we fear america (bush)... the dreams of 90% of our poor population is to migrate to USA and make a new, and better life

anyways, forget it, i dont want to begin such a polemical discussion like this, i just want to praise the France for their protecionism.

umm....right....

And is that all being forced down your throat? No. Is all that sponsored by the state? No. So that means if you don't like American Coke, McDonalds, Movies, ect, then don't buy it. Interesting concept, no?

Oh, and I live in southern Arizana, and you can't tell the difference betweeen here and Mexico now, so don't think its not reciprocal, bud.

the dreams of 90% of our poor population is to migrate to USA and make a new, and better life

EXACTLY. Don't you think it's a little messed up when thousands of Mexican citizens a day flee that country into Arizona alone? Even though Mexico has every oppurtunity to economiocally prosper if it can just change it government to something a little more capitalism-friendly? It's because of that that its almost required that you know spanish to live in this town (Tucson). Certainly doesnt seem like American cultural invasion HERE, thats for sure...yet, when anyone dares enacting any sort of "protectionism", as you say, on our end, (like in actually protecting our border) and we are immediatly branded as racists. Screw that.

And what in the world does Mexico have to fear from Bush? He has bent over for Fox's demands time and time again, including opening our borders WIDE OPEN for both legal and illegal immagration. I'm supried he's not being hailed in the streets.
-VGsatomi

Hmm, i don't like them, but don't hate them too. His musics sucks of course, i like his earlier punk musics, right now they sound like a damn-popish.

Anyway, me still on punk and ska society.

bull's eye! right in the spot VG. i dare to say half of us are docile accepting this situation (including me which is an absurd). but the other half may do this by something called convenience. Just for example, nearly every corner in the street has a McDonalds. you are a guy who got his 1 hour of lunch time and is very hungry btw, you cross the street and see a big mcDonalds, with a tasty Bigmac in a big screen right on the street. Marketing. you still dont want to eat the freaking Mc, but when you go to other street you see other Mcdonalds, with other big advertisement of other delicious fast-food products. Fast-food? ideal for someone who got 1 hour to lunch. you surrender yourself and "eat the america" once again.

ok, have you ever gone to El Paso and then crossed to Juarez? i have made the contrary and you will see the difference. better, take a ride on your car, and go very south of Arizona and cross the border to Nogalles! the difference in the public services is astonishing!

i know my goverment sux and dont you think i have shame for that?

Bush will never be hailed in the streets, such is the price of power, you didnt think you would become the most powerful nation in the world without complaining?

Yes, I've been to Juarez, Nogales and I've spend considerable time at Rocky Point. Northern Mexico is not a pretty place, that's one reason I am thankful to have born and raised in the US, and I show my appreciation to my country in accordance.

However, I find it sillt that you would say something like this:

thats the thing i like about the France, perhaps, they are the last country who is not completely infested by the american poison

America is selling- foreign countries are buying. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and saying "buy our stuff or else." If Mexico/France/Whoever doesnt want American goods, then all they have to do is stop buying them, and the foreign branches of those companies will die off and leave. It really is that simple. (its called a "boycott"). Infested poison? That more at the fault of the consumer, not the seller, in my opinion.

And our president has dropped nearly every major protectionist trade restriction with Mexico, especially in the field of fruits and agriculture, even at the dire expense of our own fragile state agricultural economy (especially California), just to help boost Mexico's GDP...again, I'm very suprised he is not regarded more highly over there, since he has done so much to help your economy.
-VGsatomi

"poison" maybe was too harsh, it was just a way of saying, idiomatic expression? dang, english is hard when you want to explain something...

youre completely right, the fact is since you got yourselves independent (even before), your economy grew. the USA as always showed an affinity with economy and marketing. you got yourselves good when the unique countries who had an economy to oppose yours (europe) were razed in the 2º war. your economical "accords" (damn use your espanish acordos comerciales) were slowing "enslaving the foreing economy. forever bound to yours. thats why the reference to money is the dollar. most countries are dependet from your economy blahblahblah....

you are right, i just wanted to praise France for their protecionism, which i still think its a good idea, the rest was just me, pumpering my frustrations upon you. youre an american citizen, that doesnt mean you can respond, or atone for anything your goverment do. just got pissed when you say youre helping our economy. perhaps from your point of view. but are you sure that is the Mexico who earns with the NAFTA?

Well, NAFTA essentially dropped tarrifs down to next to nothing bewteen the US, Mexico and Canada. Has that hurt Mexico some? Probably. Has the US lost the most jobs over it within the 3 countires? Most definatly. It was, at least as it seems to me, mostly an environmental and investment deal, giving more strict legal measures to inspect beef/cows/medicine/produce shipped across the border that wasn't really there prior. And dumb little things like ban the use of frion in transport trucks. It didn't yeild the expected results that our congress was told that it was...

Overall, yeah, its a failed program for both sides.

Okay, we've seriously gone off topic here....
-VGsatomi

Okay, we've seriously gone off topic here....

I find this new topic far more interesting than the original

indeed

i think VG should open a discussion thread, theres much to learn with him and vice-versa

and thats there why i dont like the french. its like they feel their society is so much superior to the americans that they cant be "tainted" by influence of ours. but in a way pop-culture is complete bull**** so i cant blame 'em too much actually.

Keep cool with France, dont generalize, i'm persuaded than American culture is a very complete culture and interesting. Really, the 'normally intellectualized people" of France i'm representing (who said "lol" ?) are blaming the " primar antiamericanism". Some people dont see your contry as an ensemble of people, but they see just a mentality of a FEW stupid people. Same for you, all Frenchies are not with a bread in the hand, wine in the other, ridiculous hat and yelling "Les américains c'est tous des pédés !! éàèôôöï !!" (basicly means "Americans are gays !!").
Dont generalize us, I dont forget than almost all the music bands I love come from US, your country also represents the land of musical freedom.
Some aspects of your culture are somehow bads, reckon it

Thats because France (government, at least) hates everything with "American" and "Pop culture" in the same sentance. I've read about some of their domestic policies about staving of the "foreign culture invasion" right down to limiting the number of American movies and music that crosses the French borders in accordance so it doesnt outnumber the domestic ones released...it's quit harsh I must say.... icon_eek.gif

It's more than harsh, it is destroying all culture exchanges. We have rotten from the heart governement and institutions, we arent like the picture our governement is attempting to show...

And, by the way, when I was saying "here", I meant this topic, not France...

Some aspects of your culture are somehow bads, reckon it

You think...? Some aspects of American culture seriously need to get purged. "733t h4xx0r" culture...ebonix...hip hop music...hippies... epidemic obesity...lawyers...the list goes on...

All I can do is apologize to the world on those ones.
-VGsatomi

I alway write less offensive than what I think really

All I can do is apologize to the world on those ones. icon_cry.gif

That's not up to you, you're not responsible

Now back on topic ?

PinsNow back on topic ?

Naw, what if someone would change topic title? maybe?

Green day is the leastbit ignorent, They Were and Still are helping in Katrina by donateing money and playing music.

VGsatomi, America lost the hippie gig in the late 80's...