I just don't understand why you are talking **** about dota, with no logical and definite facts to back up that it sucks.
Ok since we're on modding coummunity, let's talk about the reasons from map modder point of view, not just as a player.
1. Ability merely just object editor change, with less simple trigger. 2. It has memory leaks so much. If you often play that map, you should realize that it goes slower and slower, more longer you play it. You know how much time that is taken just to quit from game. 3. Terrain sucks, Why? It just a simple terrain with raise floor, lower floor, shalow water, and ramp. There are no gradation from hill to canyon. Also, it really not Northrendish (you should feel it), why? because he just change ashenvale theme to northrend. Why? because it is stolen! 4. Abused theme, why? Can you see a link beetwen "Defense of the Ancient" with Zeus, Medusa, a gambler? 5. Abused model,sound used. Dwarv as a god? Crypt Lord an agile hero? Frozen Throne and Tree of Life become a base? Some naga race on good side, but another naga race on dark side (same with tauren race)? And there are so many unmatch sound with the model.
Ok, there just some little part, now these are the main point. 1. Stolen. 2. Strategy? Of course it has. Every AOS must be has strategy, the difference is whether it sucks or not. Thinking about combining item and managing item while in combat is a bad idea. A lot of heroes are obviously good with certain item, so it isn't strategy anymore, it more like a math formula. "If you use hero X, buy item A+B=C and play like this, but if you use hero Y, buy item C+D=E and play like that". I used to play dota if you want to know, and I see all of my enemies and friends just use same hero with same item and samerole play on every round. Of course he wins, why? Because he already know every single point about that hero and he won't change his hero selection, isn't it boring?. Is this still can be called as strategy? 3. "A great one still a great one and a jackass still a jackass". If you start really good (with good hero, good item, and kill much enemies), obviously you will own, but if you start really bad, obviously you will get owned. It's really hard to turn back a condition. 4. Team strategy? Of course dota has. Yeah, with several combination of hero and less strategy you'll become an unbeatable team! Let says, Rylai, Zeus, Nortrom, Bradwarden, and the one with nether swap ability (forget the name). On darkside, Akasha, Krobelus, Skeleton King, Medusa, Rotund'jere, obviously you will own. And many more combination like that. So, win or not 80% is determined with hero selection, 10% for strategy, and 10% item knowledge. Is this still a great strategy?
Ok, those are my argue, everyone may be different. Btw, this is getting an off topic. Maybe this is VG's reason why he doesn't want talk about this and because this is already discussed frequently.
What I'd LOVE to know is why Samods and the Hubb weren't even added
Not sure, but I hear they dont have a very active admin anymore. And Blizz is not going to link to a site that does not even respond to their PMs/Emails. -VGsatomi
Actually the newer dotas aren't as bad about leaks as they were. Even after an hour or so of play you can exit in maybe 10 seconds. And who cares if it isn't well put together, its popular and has managed to keep its fans for all these years.
But back to the site, it will probably fail since there isn't much need for another modding site since we have this one.
Chuckle, just because something is hosted alot does not mean it's a good map. When somebody says DotA, I think a bunch of unbalanced heroes trying to get the best imbalanced item. DotA is about getting the most gold to get the best item, and then sneaking around an enemy hero with 3 allies and all 4 using their 900 damage spells on the hero and instantly killing him. People find that fun, great. But in my opinion it's a good game, but not so great that it should be hosted 5 times at any given time of the day.
When Eul made dota open source, all he asked was that he was given credit on every edit that was made since then. Has guinsoo done that? no. That's no different then stealing. Not to mention he didnt give credit for any of the custom resources used in the map.
It does not look like the link will be going back up. -VGsatomi
VGsatomi It does not look like the link will be going back up. -VGsatomi
I think the reason for that, IMHO, is because their is an ad at the top of the page for WoW Gold. Yes, I do realize that wc3sear.ch isn't selling it, but it IS advertising it.
VGsatomiWhen Eul made dota open source, all he asked was that he was given credit on every edit that was made since then. Has guinsoo done that? no. That's no different then stealing. Not to mention he didnt give credit for any of the custom resources used in the map.
It does not look like the link will be going back up. -VGsatomi
Allstars was made before DotA went open-source. Blah, I'm sick of stating that.
YEEEEEEY another way to make people play dota! wonderful!!
...not
Why cant people see that Guinsoo stole the fucking map from Eul! He stripped the fucking script, copy-pasted some heroes from OTHER maps and bam "hey guys i made a new map, wanna try"?
And come on, after about 20 versions (yes he makes a new version for every single tooltip edit) there were STILL huge bugs and STUPID tooltips like "SVEN IS HERE TO PUMP U UP (yeah wtf does that ability do?)"
note: Please dont post stupid things like "ur just jealous because dota has more players than your Elimination"... Yes its true that there are millions that like DOTA more than elimination, this is just my opinion about the map.
Well, i know nothing about Dota being stolen, i just judge the map by how the gameplay is, not by who made it and whos credited, honestly i think everyone can give a shit less.
1. Ability merely just object editor change, with less simple trigger.
There are plenty of custom trigger abilities. Some are unqiue and different pthers are quite simple, but if your one to expect every spell to be custom and unique in a map than i understand where you're going and wish you luck in finding one.
2. It has memory leaks so much. If you often play that map, you should realize that it goes slower and slower, more longer you play it. You know how much time that is taken just to quit from game.
I only notice this in games that last more than two hours, not a big problem for me anyway but for shitty computers i guess so, but if you have a shitty computer i dont see how you're going to succeed in dota anyway.
3. Terrain sucks, Why? It just a simple terrain with raise floor, lower floor, shalow water, and ramp. There are no gradation from hill to canyon. Also, it really not Northrendish (you should feel it), why? because he just change ashenvale theme to northrend. Why? because it is stolen!
=\..K..good enough for me, but, high expectations, ok cool.
4. Abused theme, why? Can you see a link beetwen "Defense of the Ancient" with Zeus, Medusa, a gambler? 5. Abused model,sound used. Dwarv as a god? Crypt Lord an agile hero? Frozen Throne and Tree of Life become a base? Some naga race on good side, but another naga race on dark side (same with tauren race)? And there are so many unmatch sound with the model.
Dont see your point.
Anyway, the hell with it, its all opinionated and jealousy woes among some people.
VGsatomi It does not look like the link will be going back up. -VGsatomi
I think the reason for that, IMHO, is because their is an ad at the top of the page for WoW Gold. Yes, I do realize that wc3sear.ch isn't selling it, but it IS advertising it.
Just my couple of cents.
Thank you!! I almost hit my head against my computer desk when I was on the last page, and nobody seemed to have noticed what the problem was!! But finnally you hit the spot.
For those of you who dont know me, I'm Ammorth and I'm a "regular" at the WarCraft III Map Development forum (can be found at http://www.battle.net/forums/war3/board.aspx?forumName=war3-maps ). We have been discussing for quite some time now, about the mod page (and the reason WC3sear.ch was removed). The thread can be found here http://www.battle.net/forums/war3/thread.aspx?fn=war3-maps&t=189008&p=1 . It's sad really, for both sides, that wc3sear.ch was removed. Sad for the advertisment on the web page, and sad for the fact Blizzard repremands wc3sear.ch, instead of the web page with the offer. I know advertisments are used to keep web pages up, but a message to the admin, I dont think it would be hard to keep the content of the advertisements at a legal and appropriate level, to reduce problems like so.
More can be read at the thread, if anyone is interested.
Gwen StefaniWell, i know nothing about Dota being stolen, i just judge the map by how the gameplay is, not by who made it and whos credited, honestly i think everyone can give a **** less.
1. Ability merely just object editor change, with less simple trigger.
There are plenty of custom trigger abilities. Some are unqiue and different pthers are quite simple, but if your one to expect every spell to be custom and unique in a map than i understand where you're going and wish you luck in finding one.
2. It has memory leaks so much. If you often play that map, you should realize that it goes slower and slower, more longer you play it. You know how much time that is taken just to quit from game.
I only notice this in games that last more than two hours, not a big problem for me anyway but for **** computers i guess so, but if you have a **** computer i dont see how you're going to succeed in dota anyway.
3. Terrain sucks, Why? It just a simple terrain with raise floor, lower floor, shalow water, and ramp. There are no gradation from hill to canyon. Also, it really not Northrendish (you should feel it), why? because he just change ashenvale theme to northrend. Why? because it is stolen!
=\..K..good enough for me, but, high expectations, ok cool.
4. Abused theme, why? Can you see a link beetwen "Defense of the Ancient" with Zeus, Medusa, a gambler? 5. Abused model,sound used. Dwarv as a god? Crypt Lord an agile hero? Frozen Throne and Tree of Life become a base? Some naga race on good side, but another naga race on dark side (same with tauren race)? And there are so many unmatch sound with the model.
Dont see your point.
Anyway, the hell with it, its all opinionated and jealousy woes among some people.
Gwen, I think we should rename you to "The DotA Cheerleader".
1) I agree, the abilities seem fine. Some feen very simple and many are unbalanced, but hey...that's what DotA is known for.
2) I'm sorry, but it has many problems in that catagory. At the start when people choose heroes, there is a pause in the game (2-3 seconds), and nearly every game 1-3 people lag (though rare somebody drops). Then after about an hour, I do start to have trouble playing. My computer has 1gig of ram and a nice GFX card (I don't know the name, but the guy who built my comp said it's 256mb and some other stuff, so I think it's good), and I still have trouble exiting.
3) Terrain is way too simple for an AoS game. The terraining style reminds me of when I first started terraining, and has nothing new from older AoS games.
4 and/or 5) The point was that it's very incoherent. Defense of the Ancients, and for some reason you have Engineers, Zeus, and Madusa comming out of nowhere. Voices don't match up, and it's kind of annoying. If they're going to make a map and do everything else they have done, they might as well used quality model and voice combos, let alone follow the theme.
I don't hate DotA at all, actually I do like it. But I get tired of it after I play it x times, because of the combination of the type of players who play it:
The "Pro" - Whenever your team is losing, he blames the team that they suck and his 2-14 record is just because of us. He then leaves the game because no true "Pro" would play with us noobies.
The Leaver - Ever have somebody lag at the start and drop out? If you have played a public DotA at least 3 times, you probably have! When 1 person drops, the DotA people feel that 1 person down means you cannot win as easily and you might not have fun, because you only have fun when you're getting 5 hero kill combos with your imbalanced hero and item combinations. When 1 person drops, a person on the team goes "RM" and leaves. Then another...and another...and another...and, well, I guess that's why DotA is constantly hosted.
The Trash Talker - This type of player calls everybody a noobie and is actually quite good at the game, at least compared to the rest of the players. He tries to make people angry because he's doing very good, and the only way to have more fun for him is to make the others angry. This is also the type of person who loses in a 1v5 and challenges the person to a 1v1, and if not, they're a "pussy".
And the fact that almost any game can get boreing after you play it so much. I don't think it's this huge game, but I do feel it was somewhat ripped off, though it's changed so much (to me), that it's not much. The biggest change is that nearly every hero is imbalanced, so people feel that makes them balanced. Oh well, my 2 cents.
