Could the WC3 Alliance bring down the army of Mordor?
This is a thread discussing if the Alliance of WC3 before they were eradicated by the scourge (meaning it's only Humans, Elves, and Dwarves in the Alliance) could destroy Sauron and the forces of Mordor, and for Debate's sake, there is no food-limit on the Alliance.
And the Blood Mage is involved yes
Offer your opinions and the reason why
I personally think the Alliance would win
While there is no doubt that the orcs would vastly outnumber the Alliance, the Alliance has more magical power for Polymorph, Slow, heal etc. Along with techology far more advanced than Mordor, Example:The Steam Tank is a primitive tank that is in fact a bit of WW1 Era Technology, The Mortar Teams missles could fire from far range and cause massive damage to the Orcs, plus the Riflemen's rifles are muskets from the 1800s otherwise known as Civil-War Technology, which leads me to believe that due to more advanced fighting for the Alliance that this would give them a massive advantage over Mordor and could possibly take Mordor down.
I think it's pretty obvious the alliance would win.
Human/Night Elf vs. Orc, which is clearly 2v1 - unfair.
What is orc gonna do? Mass towers and Bats?
While the Human's mass towers and Steam Engines to go in and demolish the Orc's base while the Night Elf's are massing expos with a panda?
The Orc's have no chance against mass Steam Engines and mass towers. Human and Night Elf are broken races, but if the Orc harasses with Blade Master and uses Stun Wards and heal wards with a nice balanced army, there's a small chance of victory.
JarrardKOI think it's pretty obvious the alliance would win.
Human/Night Elf vs. Orc, which is clearly 2v1 - unfair.
What is orc gonna do? Mass towers and Bats?
While the Human's mass towers and Steam Engines to go in and demolish the Orc's base while the Night Elf's are massing expos with a panda?
The Orc's have no chance against mass Steam Engines and mass towers. Human and Night Elf are broken races, but if the Orc harasses with Blade Master and uses Stun Wards and heal wards with a nice balanced army, there's a small chance of victory.
You didn't read did you?
it's not the orcs from WC3 it's the Orcs of Mordor
plus, the Night Elves aren't part of the Alliance yet
Well err.. If it's the Mordor Orc's then they'd get completely obliterated, unless you're talking about the mordor race from the battle for middle-earth game then I'd say Mordor wins.
Warcraft and LotR are nearly the same worlds if you ask me. Human, Dwarves & elves versus Orcs, goblins and ogres. And just like In LOTR, much of the allaince problems was due to internal bickering among the different members which their enemies in turn exploited.
Well, considering the horde is not unlike the army of mordor, it would really be contestable. I mean, azeroth was razed to the ground by the horde during the first war, but then the alliance turned around and annihilated the horde in the second war, including the orc homeworld its self, but then were nearly wiped out by the scourge in the third war. Now the allaince seemes to be hanging on by threads in WoW (you see a LOT of Alliance ruins), with their only well established areas being Stormwind and Ironforge (dunno if you want to include the night elves just yet).
In short: The allaince has definetly shown that they are no immune to being slaughtered by armies of mongruls. The Alliance doesnt have a "gandalf" while its "aragorn" turned to the dark side and became the lich king. They've kicked but as many times as they gotten their butts kicked by the horde army, so I say it would be a contastable fight if it were mordor. -VGsatomi
*Holds tounge so not to turn this forum into an arguement*
Like VG said, id have to say that the LOTR and WC universes are very similar. However, several differences remain. Actually, the orcs werent really that evil at all: if you payed attention to the first warcrafts, they were under control of the burning legion. After thrall broke up their control, the orcs actually joined with humans and returned to the shamanic religion they once had. Very few remained to heed the call of the burning legion after the destruction of archimonte (The burning blade). With Vg's permission, ill give you the wikipedia link so you can read more about it...
But anyway, Id say mordor would win. Strength in numbers, and the ringwraths to assist.
True they do have the Ringwraiths, but since they would be flying on the Fellbeast, they would not last long, the Ringwraiths are undead, and it would only take a few Holy Light spells to kill them, the Ringwraiths are very strong, but they're not invincible.
There is strength in numbers, but skill beats numbers, and due to about the fact there are many heroes for the Alliance, they are very skilled. As for proof that skill beats numbers, watch the LOTR movies, you will see that quite often, the fellowship get vastly outnumbered and usually comes out ok (except for Boromir ) Helm's Deep is a good example of this as well, Gandalf only arrived with what would be guessed as around 3000 soldiers, and due to the fact they had heroes, they were able to hold off the Uruk-Hai as long as they did, until Gandalf arrived.
Also, the only thing that in my opinion, could royally screw the Alliance, would be Sauron, but even he would eventually die (but not before giving the Alliance heavy casulties).
Matt540, sheep god!*Holds tounge so not to turn this forum into an arguement*
Like VG said, id have to say that the LOTR and WC universes are very similar. However, several differences remain. Actually, the orcs werent really that evil at all: if you payed attention to the first warcrafts, they were under control of the burning legion. After thrall broke up their control, the orcs actually joined with humans and returned to the shamanic religion they once had. Very few remained to heed the call of the burning legion after the destruction of archimonte (The burning blade). With Vg's permission, ill give you the wikipedia link so you can read more about it...
But anyway, Id say mordor would win. Strength in numbers, and the ringwraths to assist.
If you know any Warcraft III site with maaany information then tell me about it too. And anyway, if the site is related to wc3, you are allowed to post the link.
If you know any Warcraft III site with maaany information then tell me about it too. And anyway, if the site is related to wc3, you are allowed to post the link.
Its more of an info site, but there is a section dedicated to wc3 in it...and all of the warcraft universe for that matter. The warcraft universe part is:
There are many links afterwards where you can get into more detail of warcraft races, heros, and such. Most of the time they are at the bottom or in the article, so look there! If you need more info not listed in any warcraft link, type the name of the person in and you can get more info. Sometimes, if it needs to be more specific (Like orcs, humans, undead) then you should type (warcraft) right afterwards in the engine.
This gives info DIRECTLY on world of warcraft. I find it alot more detailed and in depth for multible things (Like slection, races) to look it up on wikipedia, though wowwiki gives info directly on a subject and in great detail for a single subject.
Note: If you need to change it to a different language, there is a language select right below the search engine. And, Uther at wikipedia refers to the King Arthur Uther, not the Arthas Uther. I meant to put this for its detailed info on all aspects almost of wc3, so please dont go to off-topic with it...
Edit: As for the debate, you did say the riflemen had civil war technology right? Guns back then are very hard to reload, bows were about 10 times more reliable. Rocket would snipe down ringwraths, true, but they can only target air units and buildings if im correct I may be an orc player but as I recall those are its only targets. Arthas yes did betray the humans and is serving the lich knig, leaving very few importaint heros, killed Uther and Murdan Bronze hammer, so they are out of the picture. If Orcs from wc3 joined in, the demolishers would blast down the wall before even the riflemen had the orcs in thier range. Overall, mordor seems to have plenty of advantages as well as alliance, but I still think mordor would best them mostly from homefiled advantage sniping them before they even got close (like that one old guy) and Gandalf surrounded them afterwards, owning them to easily. Perhaps humans would have an advantage like that, but the surrounded partr is doubtful it would happen.
That is a good point, they were surrounded, true but in a way, how van we be sure it would be all one big battle, true while Mordor has a homefield advantage if it was all on one big open field, but I would think the Alliance would try to spread the Orcs to make things easier.
Most of the Paladins were killed by Arthas, but if I'm correct there are Paladins in WoW, maybe they would fight against Mordor.
on an off topic note: The old guy sniper, are you referring to "The End" In Metal Gear Solid 3?
You forgot Saurons rings you know... Sauron would send a fake ambassador bearing the rings, the ambassador would give the rings to the leaders of the alliances, and BAM! Ring Wraiths ahoy! (If the alliance didn't know about the rings)
The alliance may have steam tanks but do they have Mumakil? No. Some Mumakil almost killed 7000 Rohirrim in the movie. Also if the Alliance is the humans, dwarves and elves wouldn't it fairer to make it Mordor, Isengard and Goblins?Also remember that Mordor will have catapults, so I think that Mordor would win because of their numbers and all the artilary, Mumakil and Trolls they would have.
) Helm's Deep is a good example of this as well, Gandalf only arrived with what would be guessed as around 3000 soldiers, and due to the fact they had heroes, they were able to hold off the Uruk-Hai as long as they did, until Gandalf arrived.