Lord of the Rings mapmakers...

hey leissak, I forget but did you say that you could do models as well? *crosses fingers*

raptor you can help me with triggerss my AIM is well...erm xain90 =D

Xain90raptor you can help me with triggerss my AIM is well...erm xain90 =D

i don't have aim, but u can PM me in a week when i'm back home from vacation... or u can post here and hope i find a computer to use while i'm out here

lilbeelzebub1hey leissak, I forget but did you say that you could do models as well? *crosses fingers*

Nope

lol i love to help but i only can for 2 days so sry. but if u pm or add me to wc3 i can help work wid diff map later on. wc3: Shadow_Talon
Shadow_Talon:Terrain/objects,items,doodads,units.
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Alright, well work on the terrain ensues. I was held back yesterday by having to remove a comp virus and a party so... yeah well I'll get started again on it today. So far I have the main hall (the one with the pillars and all), a small Dwarven city, Balin's Tomb (guess it isn't his tomb yet though), and I think that's it (although there are miscelaneous tunnels connecting everything).

Alright we really need to schedule a time where we can all get together and share ideas. So far here are my thoughts...

Map starts with the Dwarves at the Western Entrance to Moria (where the Watcher is). They encounter the Watcher, are unable to beat it and run inside. The orcs start off in a more stable environment, they're gathering resources and building troops and all that. The Balrog has not entered the scene yet. Now here we have a problem. I originally intended the Balrog to be playable by someone, but if it isn't present yet what is the person using the Balrog supposed to do? Just sit and wait until the Dwarves find the artifact? In any case... the Dwarves have two objectives at the beginning. To find the weapon that awakes the Balrog, and to build an encampment. The encampment shouldn't be anything too spiffy, just a place to build Dwarven units (no techtree involved). The Orc's/Goblin's objective is to eliminate the Dwarves. Dwarf units should probably be free and very strong, but do cost food. The Orcs/Goblins shouldn't cost anything, but should be very weak. Now, after they get the artifact that awakens the Balrog a timer will start. The Dwarves win if they can survive in the Mines of Moria for that length of time, the Balrog and the Orcs/Goblins will win if they can kill them in that time. The Balrog and the Orcs/Goblins should be on different teams, but should be allied (minus vision). The terrain is still in the very early stages, I need other people to look at it before I get too much further. I don't want to keep working until I get everyone on the same page and the creative juices flowing. In any case those are my ideas... I need your input guys.

ten bucks says i beat you to making a good LOTR campaign

seriously, i (just) started a LOTR campaign and realised how damn difficult it will be. If you take my way to do it, just use normal warcraft models as proxies (ie Fel Orcs as Urak Hai, Sylvannas as Legolas ) and write all the maps and triggers. Then go back and make your own models for everything.

I've already run into a problem on mine: there is no trigger that decreases cliff height for when the Helms deep wall blows up :S

not sure if that helped but hey, what u gonna do
Bort

I can almost certainly assure you that you'll make a better one. Every single person who said they wanted to work on an LotR thing with me bailed out, so now I'm hellbent on making a Ring Wars-esque map, that's better than Ring Wars.

I don't like the idea of gathering recourses... You should just have an army from the beggining and fight with it. We can make the dwarven army less in numbers but stronger units. And orcs would have a whole bunch, but easy to fight off.

when I said gathering resources I meant basically just building units. The map itself is done (with changes that will be made eventually but not at the moment). I had a few friends of mine test it. Thus far it's a map devoid of triggers of any sort, I was only testing the unit strengths. Each dwarf hero has a different model. The Balrog starts about 5 feet away from Durin and the 2 dwarves that are with him. They have to run and meet up with the others. I added in Ungoliant for kicks, I thought they evil team needed another invincible hero. Both Ungoliant and Durin's Bane are unbeatable, each with 99 divine armor, 1000 hp regen, etc... and they do about 2k damage. Each dwarf can pretty much take 4 hits from one of them before he's dead. So far the only problem with the Balrog and Ungoliant is that they're too fast, which I've toned down. Now the orcs/goblins are way too strong. They shouldn't be able to kill any dwarf on their own without the assistance of a hero, but they did. We were all raped in under 5 minutes lol. So basically... whenever you can look at the map PM me or something.

Send me the map so I can see what youve done, I will make some modifications.

what's your email? or I could host it on warcraft iii whichever you'd prefer.

Bortten bucks says i beat you to making a good LOTR campaign

seriously, i (just) started a LOTR campaign and realised how damn difficult it will be. If you take my way to do it, just use normal warcraft models as proxies (ie Fel Orcs as Urak Hai, Sylvannas as Legolas ) and write all the maps and triggers. Then go back and make your own models for everything.

I've already run into a problem on mine: there is no trigger that decreases cliff height for when the Helms deep wall blows up :S

not sure if that helped but hey, what u gonna do
Bort

check helms deep version real theyuse a doodad as a peace of the wall and when its breached the doodad is removed

just see how they did it...