HOW WOULD YOU COMPETE WITH DOTA?

HOW WOULD YOU COMPETE WITH DOTA?

Hmmmm let me think about this :

Step 1 : Get a Cyber-Flamethrower
Step 2 : Enter Everyones Wc3 Map Database
Step 3 : Burn every single c**p copy of it, leaving only originals
Step 4 : Go to an Ale House and have a Toast to Dota


4 Steps to how I would compete with Dota

Sud from the Helper Technical Support Forums says:

The idiotic masses of battle.net operate under one simple rule - "if I own with it, it's balanced, if it owns me, it's imba"

Dota caters to the newbie mindset by offering a ton of blatantly overpowered heroes (you have to be a Terri Schaivo brand of brain dead to suck with a hero like Leoric, Lion, Rhasta, Lich, Sven, Banshee, Tinker, etc.) mixed up with some not so great ones, and then throw into the mix items that are so horrendously powerful that past the 10 minute mark the game becomes about items and not heroes or teamwork or tactics. Towers are nothing more than speedbumps, there is no downside to running from a fight (other than a little less farming time, but otherwise who cares if the tower falls, we have another inner one and a horribly hard to seige high ground one in the main base). All the heroes feel the same, and there is very little need to think, because all of the abilities are dead simple and autoaim, thus you don't need to be intelligent, skilled, or particularly on the ball to win a game of dota (the other team simply has to be less intelligent than you), and that is a winning recipe for appealing to the masses.

There was a point in time when killing a tower gave that lane a SMALL little bit of damage and hp to the creeps. Boy did the dota newbies cry for a week on that until it got removed. Anything that translates into a tactical advantage (such as attacking towers when heroes are busy doing other things) is called "backdooring" and TDA makes every effort to label those people as bad players for not "charging up a lane with your team until the AoErs spam you back enough that you have to go heal". Of course any hero that can push, like furion, is banworthy (no teleporting to towers allowed) or gets nerfed into uselessness (magnataur shockwave, lucy rain of fire, etc.)

Simply put, Dota is a fisher price mode game that people seem unable to grow out of, and TDA is starting to finally recognize it. Posting anything related to balance on their forum is illegal (ban if you do), and they removed the balance forum (probably because they've finally come to the realization that indeed they don't have a clue what they're doing).

Unfortunately 90% of the aos games on Bnet are Dota games (i haven't seen an Eternal Conflict hosted on Bnet for ages, though it's 100000 times better).

I don't know why people like that game so much. I cannot say it's so small (1.5 megs if i remember well - and just because of the few crappy imported skins and WOW icons), though the loading time is fast. Although a DOTA match usually lasts 20 minutes or a half hour, it's much more boring than an EC match that last about 2 hours. And heroes are unballanced, and there are WAY too much of them (i even found some buggy ones, like the tauren earthshaker that simply crashed my whole W3).

And even this small "fun" of dota is runed by LEAVERS. I think they are the main reason why there are no more EC games hosted on bnet. To start a game that loads for several minutes, and would last 2 hours, but because of a stupid a$$hole who leaves 2 minutes after strat because he died you can just create it again and wait...

Well as said already, the map is very ineffciient. Ill elaborate.

- Heroes are unbalanced, some r sick/godlike the others are simply a pile of ****.
- Half the spells are NOT custom, just been given a differnet name
- So many heroes have the same spells, how many heroes have stormbolt, vampiric attack, ctritical strike...
- The creeps dont share out the gold, WHY?? its so stupid that you have to try to time the kills so you get them in stead of creeps/allys.
- When you kill the buildings the creeps still spawn..??? Whats the point in killing the buildings.
- You cant upgrade or improve your teams creeps in anyways, e.g. make a 2nd rax for additional units, or research a spell for them to use.
- There are 5 heroes each side but only 3 lanes....??
- If someone leaves the game is generally ruined, sure you get his share of gold, but you no longer can get the gold he would farm were he still in game.

Anyways im sure theres many more things, but I'll just leave it at that.

I know every1 says this , but im making a DOTA map based from MTG/magic myself. This map really will set the new "template".

That Aots map, I thought was impressive, very nice descriptions on heroes/abilities.
Overall I think the map is alittle to big, would be better if its smaller.
Im not sure if theres any new versions out, but it needs more content

.. I prefer Age of Myths, thats very much the same, only with alot of good custom skins, and nicely done spells.. And I am better in that than DotA..

I would say that DotA, EotA and AoM is pretty much a AoS, because.. the main ogjective IS to destroy all the enemy buildings, killing heroes is just a sub-objective to earn gold for your hero, so that you can buff it up with equipment. That does not bring it to the state of a Hero Arena, wich mainly consist of buying TOMES to buff up ur hero, and the winner is the team with most Hero kills. I can't see the connection between that and DotA ..

FullaWell as said already, the map is very ineffciient. Ill elaborate.

- Heroes are unbalanced, some r sick/godlike the others are simply a pile of ****.
- Half the spells are NOT custom, just been given a differnet name
- So many heroes have the same spells, how many heroes have stormbolt, vampiric attack, ctritical strike...
- The creeps dont share out the gold, WHY?? its so stupid that you have to try to time the kills so you get them in stead of creeps/allys.
- When you kill the buildings the creeps still spawn..??? Whats the point in killing the buildings.
- You cant upgrade or improve your teams creeps in anyways, e.g. make a 2nd rax for additional units, or research a spell for them to use.
- There are 5 heroes each side but only 3 lanes....??
- If someone leaves the game is generally ruined, sure you get his share of gold, but you no longer can get the gold he would farm were he still in game.

Anyways im sure theres many more things, but I'll just leave it at that.

I know every1 says this , but im making a DOTA map based from MTG/magic myself. This map really will set the new "template".

That Aots map, I thought was impressive, very nice descriptions on heroes/abilities.
Overall I think the map is alittle to big, would be better if its smaller.
Im not sure if theres any new versions out, but it needs more content

Heroes UNbalanced? are u playing old dotas or new ones from www.dota-allstars.com? 5 heroes, 3 lanes? whats the matter with that? Killing enemy production building DOES do things. They strengthen ur army in that lane. Destroying all of the enemy's unit production buildings grants ur team Super Creeps. If ur army kills a unit they do give u gold like 10-15.

ragingspeedhornI prefer Eota, Way more fun

what he said. the only thing which doesnt attract people to eota is the size map. and the only other thing which doesnt attract noobs is the strategic skill learning.

question: how would you compete with dota?
answet: dota is bad on its own. but just for you, to compete, cooler spells, hero balancing(with towers and units), spell balancing, more useful spells(dont push the units back when the hero is melee), longer-lasting, and finally, nicer terrain(yes the terrain isnt THAT good).

no offense to anyone who is a fanatic over dota. thank you.

I truly hope I'll never sink as low as I would have to compete with dota.

It's, in my opinion, a shining example of an unbalanced map, made by a person with an extremely bad fantasy, it's like 204% of it has been in other maps before.

Also I hate the selfproclamed "dota-pros" attitudes, like "yeah, I can play dota, I'm just so freaking good, I got to get a medal for being able to kick everyone who hates the map." (uhm, sorry dota freaks)

I wonder what's the IQ of the average Battle.netter.

Whenever an advanced, funny challenging map is hosted at Battle.net, people says it suck cos they're too dumb to figure out the accursed objective even though it's listed somewhere in the map, usually in the quests menu. But when a pile of junk, like dota, every retarded B.netter gets amazed and drops his entire life to play it. Sorry if I offended anyone, this is just the extreme version of my opinion, offending wasn't my intention.

Blade.dk2I truly hope I'll never sink as low as I would have to compete with dota.

It's, in my opinion, a shining example of an unbalanced map, made by a person with an extremely bad fantasy, it's like 204% of it has been in other maps before.

Also I hate the selfproclamed "dota-pros" attitudes, like "yeah, I can play dota, I'm just so freaking good, I got to get a medal for being able to kick everyone who hates the map." (uhm, sorry dota freaks)

I wonder what's the IQ of the average Battle.netter.

Whenever an advanced, funny challenging map is hosted at Battle.net, people says it suck cos they're too dumb to figure out the accursed objective even though it's listed somewhere in the map, usually in the quests menu. But when a pile of junk, like dota, every retarded B.netter gets amazed and drops his entire life to play it. Sorry if I offended anyone, this is just the extreme version of my opinion, offending wasn't my intention.

dont worry. i totally agree with you. i especially hate those dota freaks who go into a good AoS such as EC, EotA and Battle for Icecrown(althought i must admit it gets pretty overpowered during high levels) and start saying "this map is so rigged! dota is so much better!" especially when they start getting killed or cant take the advanced features.

I loooooooooooooooove DotA and whoever says it suks THEY MAY BURN IN....well u no wats next....

BTW looking for helpers for my DOTA-like map
OMENS OF PANDEMONIUM!!

OH I FORGOT!! if u would like to help me add FuRNaCe_DRaGoN to friends or add A_E_I_Own_U or D347H_K1D plz plz plz help me!! oyea and i agree with the guy that said that we should all make a map i think its a great idea.

A_E_I_Own_UI loooooooooooooooove DotA and whoever says it suks THEY MAY BURN IN....well u no wats next....

BTW looking for helpers for my DOTA-like map
OMENS OF PANDEMONIUM!!

have fun making a crude and rigged map

A_E_I_Own_U when you said we all suck....i take that as an insult an a clas of very high stupidity...just to show the avarage IQ of a DotA player :/ (sry for all you smart people ...that play DotA and realy have nothing in common wiht this guy) but this is how it make me feel...not to make you relize 2 posting is ilegal in the sites rules , flameing others also and this is a topic in whitch is asked "how would you compete with DotA?" NOT a "Hey Lets Flame Because of DotA topics" witch i remeber well a mod said he will instantly close this kind of topics.

A_E_I_Own_UI loooooooooooooooove DotA and whoever says it suks THEY MAY BURN IN....well u no wats next....

BTW looking for helpers for my DOTA-like map
OMENS OF PANDEMONIUM!!

*sigh* You double-posted...

A_E_I_Own_UI loooooooooooooooove DotA

Really, I didn't seem to notice after the fourth o, why don't you just add some more in for good measure?

A_E_I_Own_Uand whoever says it suks

Argh, sucks, damnit, sucks, add the extra c, I might have let you get away with this one if it weren't for the appaling useage of the english language that was to follow.

A_E_I_Own_UTHEY MAY BURN IN....well u no wats next....

Burn in...bunnies? Honestly I don't know what's next, if you're going to flame people just go out and swear, you're already going to be an outcast, just complete it. Perhapes if I typed with caps lock on people would think I was yelling, no, it just makes you look dumb. I'd go into the rest of that sentance but it's beyond hope.

A_E_I_Own_UBTW looking for helpers for my DOTA-like map

By the way! No one is going to help you when you talk like that. For the last time, it's not a DotA, a DotA-like map, or any other combination that includes DotA in some way!

A_E_I_Own_U wrote:
BTW looking for helpers for my DOTA-like map

It's an AoS (but more arena then aos :/) type of map.