Getting tired of this.

Getting tired of this.

Can anyone please delete or at least unsticky this?
Sorry it took so long, I just noticed that it was still there. -oz02
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Ever got into a moment where boom! you are completelly mad against something?

I will tell you all the truth, I am getting tired of the whole site, and I decided to post this because something beated my patience

http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Spells&ID=783

A guy rated that with a 1, I wouldn't mind that much if the guy posted good reasons behind that (the rest of the other 14 ratings were 5) Man if he posted something like:

I am voting 1/5 to this because
a)...
b)...
c)...

I would understand, but arg he just voted 1 for unknown reasons, This destroyed my whole patience because I just spent 1 month on that system trying to add and add more stuff, and updating it, flooding irc with links to it, expecting to see responses on how it works, and I only got responses from 5 guys and the other were like good system and that stuff, which I didn't need, someone that didn't like appeared and just voted it with a 1! without giving me feedback.

But of course that's not the only reason that got me tired that alone would have been just an annoyance.

First of all Darky is missing, without Darky's manteinance the site is getting worse and worse, and bugs that I always tried to get fixed, for example the one that makes the model scripts acts you for stuff that was already in the war3's mpq, NEVER got fixed. For anyone who didn't note it, Darky is missing from both this and the wow site for 4 weeks, no signs of Darky life other than a link to a wow site he typed on IRC.


The average kind of comments that you get to see in the model section, people complainning because of the name of the model instead of how looked it in game, or people calling stuff a geoset merge as if it was really a geoset merge, at the end people thinking that a geoset merge is bad.

Eventually something happened to this site, where stuff stopped being judged for how it looked in the game, where art was confused with technician skills, as in who gives it more stuff to a model, I've seen perfect models being bashed because they didn't have a custom skin, oh god.

The thing got worse when a good looking skin, - yes, I am talking about my brother's elemental mage thing that I even made a post about on this forum, captain obvious! , was just deleted, while tons of other horribly looking skins (but made from scratch) stayed.

I am tired of seeing people that only post negative stuff about resources, and you never, see them posting a good comment in a good model, and when they make negative comments, they never try to help the author by telling him which was good, Destructive criticism and GREAT 5/5 !!!!!! comments are the only thing you are able to get here, and even people that always blame the site to be full of jackasses act like that.

Tired of the whole attitude most of the users of the site have, stop the trolling, and if you want to give 1 to a resource please justify it. If you are going to judge a model, skin, or spell, FOR GOD's sake:

- See it in game FIRST! (if you don't know how to import stuff, please quit making comments)
- JUDGE IT BY HOW IT LOOKS IN GAME! not on things like:
* The race of the resource (OMG IT IS A PANDAREN, I HATE PANADARES! 1/5)
* The name of the resource (OMG IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAME! 1/5)
* The method used to make the resource (IT IS JUST A GEOSET MEGER! 1/5)

- Make a comment only if you have more than 5, FIVE WORDS! damnit! , if you don't have more than 5 words to say don't make the comment.
- No one is going to ask you for a perfect grammar, but at least don't mass smileys/use ONLY CAPS LOCK.
- If you think the model was good, please tell the author what part of it you liked.
- Don't ever act like a moron and say 5/5 when you didn't actually rate it.
- If you didn't like a resource, try making a comment where you actually tell him which parts of it are wrong
- If you didn't like anything about the resource, I mean if you think the thing was completelly wrong, just forget about commenting and tell a moderator to remove it.
- If you think you have the right to criticise a bad model, try being at least a little modest and show that you can say good things about resources, there ARE good stuff out there and if you are so good looking wrong stuff in models, you must be good at finding good stuff on other models, If you are that kind of guy that only makes comments to show the negative parts of the models: "Nobody needs you to stay in this site, leave it please"

ABOUT rating resources:
1 - bad
2 - needs work
3 - Good
4 - Very Good
5 - Excelent

IT IS NOT LIKE THIS:
1- I don't like it
5- I like it


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Now if this doesn't change I will just go somewhere else, those are bad news for me because every other site is death at this time, so to keep my health I would have to leave war3 modding or something like that before my head explodes because of whatever happened with this site that made it so bad.

Hallelujah Vexorian I couldn't agree more, it seems as though most of use oldbies that are experienced around the site are disappearing one by one, and being replaced by a horde of newbies who have been here 3 days and start bashing on peoples work without even seeing it in-game! I swear, I sort of understand why Darky disappeared, this site is becoming worse and worse by the day.

I mean hell Its hard enough living with the flood of poorly done stuff, but also dealing with all teh bugs he left behind!

Has anyone else besides me noticed that most of the hosted projects haven't been posted in in like, 3 months?

I miss Darky

-I fully agree with you Vexorian. I try to rate a resource solely based on how good it looks in game. I've been noticing the manners problem this site has been having since July and its been getting worse. I have a solution that might work now that VGSatomi is a super moderator. (A very belated congratulations.) Be warned that this solution is extreme, but I feel that it is the only way to save the site. There should be a new rule (punishable by current discipline system) that states that resources can only be rated based on how good they look in game. This means that it will be against the rules to bash a resource based on what method was used in its creation.
-On another note thats somewhat related to this topic and points to the opposite side of the problem, its also extremely annoying to post resources and get practically no feed back on it. For example, I have a map (check under Magnum12) that I posted here and have recieved very little feedback on it. (My first comment reveals specific feedback that I need to know about as first priority.) Its annoying because its my first map and I want to know what I can do to improve my skills. (It might also be one of the first RPG appliccations of the awesome Vexorian Hero system, but thats another story.)
I hope my suggestion proves useful.

I fully agree with you Vexorian, and the problem is mostly resting on the fact that Darky is inactive. In this stage of the game there is not much we can do except hope that Darky returns.

I'll sticky this thread and make a news post directing to it just to help people understand about commenting/rating a resource.

@Mr. Clean:

Mr. CleanI have a solution that might work now that VGSatomi is a super moderator. (A very belated congratulations.)

I don't see why that could only be done because VGsatomi is a super mod, I'm always here if you need anything.

Regarding the skins section:

Vex, you have to keep in mind that every time we even touch a skin, we get hell over PM. Heck, I routinely get flamed for deleting maps that were blatently against the rules, with skins its even worse. We cant exactly go on a delete spree because we still dont really have guidelines to go by other then just thinning out the no-effort ones that come on the site as its posted. If we delete ones that are deep in the archive and have been on the site for some period of time, the user takes even more offense to it. I admit the skins section is basically lost. It probably would be better it it was simply started over from scratch, where we could then better monitor the stuff coming in. Thats just my opinion.

Darky just finished a major exam, so he may be on vacation. I spoke with him briefly about 2 weeks ago. But yes, his absence is a problem....
-VGsatomi

I agree completely, the only thing I sort of disagree with is the testing stuff in-game. I agree that everything should be tested in game, but many people do not have the time, or the patience to import everything that catches their eye. I think it should be up to the poster to take really good screenshots, rather than put in all caps, LOOK AT IT IN GAME. Even if something if really good, unless I absolutely need it, I rarely go farther than Wc3Viewer. As far as the down-voting goes, I think some people are just not mature enough to handle the responsibilities that come with the power to vote/criticize. Technique for a post should not matter as well, if it's a simple C n P, so what? If it's good, then it's good, sure when it comes to talent it makes a difference, but no one will really notice talent when there are a ton of units fighting on screen.

Warcraftiii.net has the same problem with their voting system. If a file is rated a 5 and a user thinks it deserves a 3, the rate it a 1 to bring down the overall score. That may be one reason all we see is mainly 1 and 5 ratings.
-VGsatomi

I totally agree vexorian. People rating things a 1 for no reason should have their vote changed to 5 lol. It is really ridiculous. The worst thing about rating something is a 1 is that it takes sometimes 5 more people rating the resource on the grade it deserves. A lot of people now are flaming, trolling, and breaking other rules. I wonder what Darky will even do when he comes back and sees all these flaming/trolling comments. Everyone gets a little pissed every now and then about how some people treat this site. I got really pissed and wrote a huge comment addressing wormskull, because he constantly just said things like this sucks, and he sometimes never had any comment for improvement. I am not sure but i think he has like 1400 or so comments. And to think people look up to wormskull because of his huge amount of comments. A pretty good percent of those posts are flaming. I already reported one of his flaming comments, but its not deleted.(Wasn't very aggresive at all but it just had no reason behind it.)

Link to my Crazy Long Post about Wormskull:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/?p=Skins&ID=2855

Don't get ur hopes up over just a little jerk. He is probably foreign or just retarded.(Seriously how can someone slander someones brilliant work that took weeks to create.)

Is there a way to make it so you can't see what the thing is rated until you rate it? That might fix things a little bit. I'm sure it won't do much, but it could help, just an idea. Another thing that might work is to have a way to record who rated the stuff and what they gave them. Then we could find out who is being such a (Insert mean word here).

Welcome to this stupid world. Maybe we should have a system (if oz is able to) that restricts downvoting if a resource has X votes and is higher than X rating.

As for these stupid noob lingering here, I'm going to mock their stupid voting system for once

Skin: Chocobo on chicken

1- omfG it sux0rz! it duznt even hav teh 3d fethers liek in FFX LOLOL!!!! u noob sux0rz ur box0r2

5- LOLOOLOLLLL!!11 teh skinz iz so funy loL11 ur maekin meh laff

Is that all this site can have? Some people have such nerve to be so indecent in their little squabbling over something that doesn't fit their opinion. As for this, I suggest that we ban all extreme downvoters or remove the voting system

I mean, come on here! You little miniscule cretin think it's funny to vote a 1 because it's either:
1: something you don't need for your little dota-ripoff
2: Because you think it's funny to make something good look bad
3: You saw the beginning of a spell test and found out it wasn't your favorite hero
4: Imported the zip file and said it didn't work
5: Tried the skin, and it didn't work because you imported some random model
6: The attempt to hijack the model as your own failed, so you downvoted it
7: You got a virus, and got pissed off. You take it out on a DC skin
8: Mental capacity breaks from how good it is. Give it a 1 because it's too good

quote: We cant exactly go on a delete spree because we still dont really have guidelines to go by other then just thinning out the no-effort ones that come on the site as its posted. If we delete ones that are deep in the archive and have been on the site for some period of time, the user takes even more offense to it. I admit the skins section is basically lost. It probably would be better it it was simply started over from scratch.

i say starting from scrach is a very good idea and it clears out the usless crap that gets put in there.

i agree with everything you guys are talking about and i do sence the site has went down hill.
as you all know i have had my problems with some people in here (not to name any names) we all do, its a state of conflict, we all have our enemies.
i try to give good crit to people when ever i can but half the time i dont think my comment gets read or doesn't really get taken into consideration because the author of the modeler or skinner is too busy looking at the people who flame. everyone is in titled to there own opinion but they forget that people are also intitled to say something back in defence and its that conflict thats brought the site down because you then get endless amounts of abuse because of different opinions.... if you got nothing nice to say then dont say anything wich is maby why the person voted 1 without any comment but if he voted 1 a load of times then hes ather a retard who gets excited when he presses a key or he really hates that person. i say we clear out the sections and start from scrach and then we will be able to kill off the flamers once in for all. understandable some skins and models took time to upload and they been there a long time and they still get downloaded but i feel its the right thing to do. bugs on site will have to be looked at and if darky isn't here to do that then we should relax and hopefully it all gets better soon other wise its just going to get worse and soon there will be no site at all. if any of you have spent the time to read this, thank you.

I try to give conctructive criticism as well(on the rare occasion that I actually comment). But I think that if the site gets really bad in the future you may just have to remove comments/voting alltogether, and only allow people who have posted files of their own to comment/vote, etc. If that is possible. The main thing that gets to me are people who say little to anything, and if they do say anything it's all caps, sometimes it does us people who actually want to hear what other people have to say. It makes it easier to sort through the bull****. I'm getting off topic but I really have to say that people who simply rate it 1 and say something along the lines of "Dis SUXX0rZ" should not even bother with this site.

If i had any html or phpbb skills I would run off and start my own Wc3 resource site, one with stricter rules and limits for those with less experience.

But since I can't Im stuck here I guess, wading neck high in newbies. I vote we rewrite the rules, and I say Vexorian should do it.

Maybe for starters make classes for people, like after 25 posts you are a paladin or something, and your class determines how many posts u can post a day. This system is currently in use by another forum I am a member of called IndyDDR and its working out great, it keeps newbies from flaming others constantly.
Restrict the amount of PMs to Mods too. Maybe like one new PM per person, but u can reply to any of them you want.

I don't knwo what the hell we are gonna do but there are major problems, and someone needs to fix them!

I totally agree. I may be a noobie but I still know what its like to be rated like that. I dont rate cuz i dont have forzen throne yet. (BTW i don't see how sum1 could rate this 1/5 because it looks nice)

Making the amount of posts you can create increase as you post more would not do anything, because they would just spam. Although it would probably deterr some of them, it wouldn't really solve the problem. I think we should make it so people can only comment, not vote, unless they have posted something of their own. This would promote the interaction of people who know what they are doing, rather than people who are just out to be stupid. I also think that something should be done about useless files that someone jacks up the download counter on. I like looking at the most downloaded files because it gives me insight as to what people use the most, and what people enojy(mapwise). It really bugs me when at least one of the most downloaded files is there because some one decided that their useless creation should get in the way of real skill.

EDIT: I just thought of something. It's really out there and whacked, but it's just a suggestion. If you've ever been to Newgrounds.com, you'll know kinda what I'm talking about. Here goes:

Depending on the average of their votes, the user is given a title, such as, "evil" or "good" and when players post a file, they can opt to allow people of a certain "rank" to post, such as only people who have a "good reputation" as a benevolent voter or a malevolent one, such as if so and so is a new poster, and wants honest, contructive, nothing bad-about-it criticism, they can choose to only allow people with the matching reputation to comment/vote. I know it's really actually quite pointless, corny and far out there, but I feel that it would keep "malicious down-voting" as it has sometimes been called to a minimum.