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Sorry..
Forst of all i wont too apologize.. Cuz i have made many of those GREAT! comments, but after i've red this i will truly stop those awful things and think before i comment..
I apologize too everyone and everybody, i have learned something from this topic..
I now have read the first 2 and the last 2 pages of this Topic and have registered just for answering here. ( ok, i do also want to upload a map of mine, but this topic is the reason i did it. Therefore this is my FIRST posting within this while site. ) My general imprssion is the following one: - nearly only those who DO NOT flame have posted anything ( I haven't overseen those few who apologize and i congratualte those few for thei are very brave to do so. I think i would not have been brave enough to accept meself as that guilty, espazily not if all "the high ones" are against me doings! )
- many who have posted have done it the way "flamed" by this topic. ( I mean those "I totaly agree"-postings, sry if i am wrong, but i think you could have taken a bit more time for a theme as important as this one and written a few more words or even added some good ideas for preventing or stopping this evolution. )
- Next thing i mentioned is, that many have only read the first and maybe the last one ( 1 ) page of this topic and then acted as thought they do totaly know what's going on within here. ( it may be that i am one of those, but at 6 pages i do not have the time to read them all, espacialy because i have to work early tomorrow, sry if that is the case ). I would like if you ( i mean those reading only the very first and very last bit, ignoring the important parts ) start reading a bit more within a topic, before replying to it. I have truly wanted to click on the "reply"-Button as soon as i have finished reading the very first posting. BUT i have waited paitionaly until i have known most or at least many of the things discussed within the topic and then hit the button -> you are reading the result right now.
- Now i want to do, what i have been asked not to do: I will add me own way of solving the spam-problem. I know ( i truly do ) that this may be anoying to read, but i hope that i got the best things from previous ideas and am now giving the idea for the final solution. a) controling the amount of comments per user per time i do not think this is usefull. e.g. if a very good comment writer is going through the archive and writing one comment after another he will get punished as well as all the spamers b) getting some kind of notify or comment to a vote in my opinion this isn't the best solution as well, maybe it's a part of the whole but it's not at all the final solution. c) Conviction of commenters and/or voters As i have thought about it i think this may be the key to the final solution: a System within somehow the users get a conviction depending on how well they comment. --- My Idea: first i hope i haven't bored you whith the little Summary above, i am now going staight onto the original topic and am writing down me own idea ( @staff plz don't take this offensive in any way. I'm just hoping that one day it will be possible to add any way of solution-system to this page to make it MUCH harder for flamers to do their "job" ) conviction-system - every user gets a conviction - whenever a user posts a comment or a ranking it will be abel FOR ALL USERS READING IT to rate THAT COMMENT. e.g a flamer might be voted as (sry)"dumbass" while a supreme well done, several thousand lines long commend will be rated as "genious". - while seeing through the convinctions/ratings a user has it will be much easier for mods/smods/admins to detect the flamers/spammers and anyone close to them. It might even be possible to modify a ranking done by a user depending on his personal rating ( therefor a spammer will nearly or even fully ignored, while the ranking a super-user does is worth a thousand of "normal" rankings )
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Overall: I hope you have read till here and have thought about it. If you haven't please scoll to the start again and at least read the capital words and the sentences around them to get a general image of what i have written here.
thx to all who had the patience to read this![/list]
A guy rated that with a 1, I wouldn't mind that much if the guy posted good reasons behind that (the rest of the other 14 ratings were 5) Man if he posted something like:
I am voting 1/5 to this because a)... b)... c)...
I would understand, but arg he just voted 1 for unknown reasons, This destroyed my whole patience because I just spent 1 month on that system trying to add and add more stuff, and updating it, flooding irc with links to it, expecting to see responses on how it works, and I only got responses from 5 guys and the other were like good system and that stuff, which I didn't need, someone that didn't like appeared and just voted it with a 1! without giving me feedback.
But of course that's not the only reason that got me tired that alone would have been just an annoyance.
First of all Darky is missing, without Darky's manteinance the site is getting worse and worse, and bugs that I always tried to get fixed, for example the one that makes the model scripts acts you for stuff that was already in the war3's mpq, NEVER got fixed. For anyone who didn't note it, Darky is missing from both this and the wow site for 4 weeks, no signs of Darky life other than a link to a wow site he typed on IRC.
The average kind of comments that you get to see in the model section, people complainning because of the name of the model instead of how looked it in game, or people calling stuff a geoset merge as if it was really a geoset merge, at the end people thinking that a geoset merge is bad.
Eventually something happened to this site, where stuff stopped being judged for how it looked in the game, where art was confused with technician skills, as in who gives it more stuff to a model, I've seen perfect models being bashed because they didn't have a custom skin, oh god.
The thing got worse when a good looking skin, - yes, I am talking about my brother's elemental mage thing that I even made a post about on this forum, captain obvious! , was just deleted, while tons of other horribly looking skins (but made from scratch) stayed.
I am tired of seeing people that only post negative stuff about resources, and you never, see them posting a good comment in a good model, and when they make negative comments, they never try to help the author by telling him which was good, Destructive criticism and GREAT 5/5 !!!!!! comments are the only thing you are able to get here, and even people that always blame the site to be full of jackasses act like that.
Tired of the whole attitude most of the users of the site have, stop the trolling, and if you want to give 1 to a resource please justify it. If you are going to judge a model, skin, or spell, FOR GOD's sake:
- See it in game FIRST! (if you don't know how to import stuff, please quit making comments) - JUDGE IT BY HOW IT LOOKS IN GAME! not on things like: * The race of the resource (OMG IT IS A PANDAREN, I HATE PANADARES! 1/5) * The name of the resource (OMG IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAME! 1/5) * The method used to make the resource (IT IS JUST A GEOSET MEGER! 1/5)
- Make a comment only if you have more than 5, FIVE WORDS! damnit! , if you don't have more than 5 words to say don't make the comment. - No one is going to ask you for a perfect grammar, but at least don't mass smileys/use ONLY CAPS LOCK. - If you think the model was good, please tell the author what part of it you liked. - Don't ever act like a moron and say 5/5 when you didn't actually rate it. - If you didn't like a resource, try making a comment where you actually tell him which parts of it are wrong - If you didn't like anything about the resource, I mean if you think the thing was completelly wrong, just forget about commenting and tell a moderator to remove it. - If you think you have the right to criticise a bad model, try being at least a little modest and show that you can say good things about resources, there ARE good stuff out there and if you are so good looking wrong stuff in models, you must be good at finding good stuff on other models, If you are that kind of guy that only makes comments to show the negative parts of the models: "Nobody needs you to stay in this site, leave it please"
ABOUT rating resources: 1 - bad 2 - needs work 3 - Good 4 - Very Good 5 - Excelent
IT IS NOT LIKE THIS: 1- I don't like it 5- I like it
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Now if this doesn't change I will just go somewhere else, those are bad news for me because every other site is death at this time, so to keep my health I would have to leave war3 modding or something like that before my head explodes because of whatever happened with this site that made it so bad.
This is the best thing I have seen a long time and I know exactly how you feel Vex, over at another site where I posted a map, the map (from comments from people and such) is at least a 4.98 rating, but some lame-ass idiotic noobs rated it "1" or "Horrible" leaving NO comments of why they rated it. I am getting pretty pissed myself with these noobs who think they can just downrate something and get away with it easily and never be caught! I could go on and on about those people AND the moderators who do nothing about this kind of problem, but that would be too long of a post.... Peace† (except to people that Vexorian and I are talking about)
Hi I am new in here, I just have to say, that appart from some of the comments, this site it SO great. Everything I touch, works excellent. You got LOTS of stuff. 95% of it is very good quality. I have just started on a map and everytime I need anything, I just look for it in here and finds it within 2 seconds. It´s amazing that someone made something like this, free. I actually say, that you shouldn´t do all this work, without some payment. Anyway, there´s a problem and I shall write MORE than 5 words, everytime I download something and tell you my opinion. DON`T close the site, if you need help, then write me and I shall see what I can do!!
Ok... just because Darky is no longer very often online (I wonder why) doesn't mean that we can't do anything.
A site is not only made from its moderators but from its memebers as well. Still, more moderators ARE needed in my opinion. The spells section is already getting on my nerves. I've seen quite many double if not triple threads started and nobody has deleted them. Vexorian is doing his best (so I'm not blaming you) and I believe that he split his job with The_Raven or something BUT, the spells section is in sometimes in a critical situation. No offense but I've been offline for five days and when I came back many threads were left without response. Like... 15 or even more? And I'm saying it again, I'm not blaiming you Vex. I know you are moderator on wc3campaigns.net and you have a life as well and you do a great job with the spells submitted so taking care of the section would indeed be FAR too much.
Moderators are here to help, and not only to ban and warn. Mostly I've seen moderators warning newbie just because they posted into the wrong place but it was their first or perhaps second post. Shouldn't they be guided in a nice way so that theyy feel good and secure and not just afraid to post because they might break some rules. As I posted into another thread, posts with FLAMING and HARD SWEARING are not inacceptable but posting into the wrong place (newbies atleast)...
I will continue to watch upon whatever I can but I suck completely at modelling, terraining and skinning so I only remain into the spells section (which to be honest is always fun for me...I really like to see inventive spells and try to help people make them. You can always learn new things as well through helping). But I'm asking EVERYONE on this site if he sees someone that asks for help and you feel like you have time to help him! It is very important to remain a close to each other. The first step into abyss is not caring about the others (I know it sounds pathetic but that's how things go). Remember that this site is made from its members!
I'd like to hear your opinions about my post if you feel that you have any.
If its alright with Oz or VG I'd like to be a moderator, I mean hell I think I read every new post that shows up on the site, I come here at least 20 times a day (if not more) I've waited to be one for awhile. I don't wanna beg, just wondering, if you guys need anymore help I'd be happy to assist the site.
It seems the problem lies in the floods of noobs who ignore all the rules, and come to flame people and downrate things. There are alot of people in this crowd that just cannot be pleased, and they rate something very low and flame just because it wasn't the greatest thing in the world. Things like Cookie's Hero Enforcer model was flamed by one or two people, and I don't see HOW anyone could say that was crap. Rating shouldn't be just about how much you like it or if you can use it, but if it looks good.
To me, it seems the problem lies not within rating, but the flaming that goes along with it. The other really bad thing is all the crappy recolors, CnPs, and other 1 minute made models this site gets. I mean, my god, it's gotten impossible to just browse through the sections looking for something decent when someone has submitted over 20 resources that are the exact same thing but just with minor tweaks.
I don't think we'll be able to change the flood of noobs, but we need to buckle down and help the moderators by reporting flaming, crappy 1 minute made resources, and trolling.
TO the moderators, ya'll have done a great job keeping this place as cleana s you can, and yes it has taken a beating since Darky's absence, but what you need to do is get together one day, and go through the resources and delete all the crap resources. And if someone PMs you flaming that you shouldn't have deleted it, you should warn or ban them instead of ignoring it.
Damn, I was planning to rant on about this eventually but you got to it first! Grrrrr . Meh, i'd have only written half that anyway.
I totally agree, the site should have a voting system where placing your vote on a submission also requires a text input in which you can put reasons. If they are unreasonable, moderators should be able to render the vote negligible.
Also, I have noticed that on some maps people have complained about glitches in the map or unbalanced gameplay that are CLEARLY due to using a different patch. A solution to this for authors who wish to avoid such an unfortunate situation is simply posting the patch used to make and test the map by the author, and that players who do are not using that patch should not necessarily expect it to work as the author made it. If nOObs still flame it for such reasons, they can point out clearly that they are using a different patch.
There's more, but it's all stuff that's probably been said before (which is something that gets very annoying in the forums, mind you).
For the record, I am w/ Daelin. I like to help in the map & spell forums.
DeathbringerIf its alright with Oz or VG I'd like to be a moderator, I mean hell I think I read every new post that shows up on the site, I come here at least 20 times a day (if not more) I've waited to be one for awhile. I don't wanna beg, just wondering, if you guys need anymore help I'd be happy to assist the site. DB
Even myself I am tempted to ask VG and Oz the way they logged in this site if they have access in the "go to the administration panel" at the very bottom of the forum index because there you will have access to the ADMINISTRATION, FORUM ADMIN, GENERAL ADMIN, GROUP ADMIN, STYLES ADMIN, & of course the exciting/interesting one USER ADMIN where you can ban/disallow & level up a member into a moderator or even change the user level into an admin. What you will do is just to look up for the user & tweak him. See I made my own poor site for free & become my own Administrator...
The idea of being moderator does not require only only time and reading everything. You must know what to do in situations, know who deserves a warn, who deserves a ban for something, who deserves only a warning and if the situation is even to be considered. And moreover, you MUST KNOW how to help in a lot of situations. For example I am very good in spell making and that is why I am not giving advices in other things like Skins and Modelling. I can't model and in skinning I suck. And giving advices to people if you are not sure about them is not a good thing.
To be a moderator I find necessary to have time, patience, read everything into your section, know how to act in different situations and mostly important be able to help people and give answers to all the questions, or atleast many of them. And obviously, to be active because if you are not active, there is no point in being a moderator.
If you don't have these capabilities, I don't think you have big chances to become a mod. But let's leave these little details to Darky, shall we? Though I am wondering where he is (geesh... This question has been put a lot of times by now).
And voting should be our last problem. Indeed, voting is an annoying part but most of bad raters flame as well. Flamers and chaos making members are the first ones to be taken care of. And of course, clearing people who post junks regularily even though they have been warned. Btw, isn't there a way to disallow someone to add any resources?
I will confess i did rate things a 1/5 to make it a 3 for like a day or two but then i remembered... Lots of ppl who rate badly cant even make mods, so to you noobs out there before you rate ask yourself this...
Could you have made a better model, skin, or map?
Now to find out how ppl really think about what you post ppl should give reasons and post what they think.
Now next time you see a ok its fine map and its rated 5/5 rate it what u think 3/5 then when the creator comes and sees his creation he can see his nice 4 and be happy not a million and one ppl voting one just because the dont like that type rpg,loap, orc,elf
Consider another thing. If someone says about a resource that it is a BETA version, and metions it either as: "This is just a beta version" or "This is just a first version" or something similar, then don't hurry to rate. Let him finish his resource and THEN vote. If he never updates it, wait atleast a month before rating it (if he mentions it as BETA). That's atleast how I do.
. Meh, i'd have only written half that anyway.
