Wc3 1.19 patch

I loved the patch changes. Although the new two maps are not that good : /

DarkShadowI'm using GUI, too. But in contrast to some other people, I share Vexorians opinion that GUI sucks, just don't have the time to get into JASS. GUI is nothing else then (bad coded) JASS, looking a little bit nicer so it's easier to use. Instead of writing those GUI-things, all Blizzard should have done is writing a useful manual for WE and the usage of JASS. I guess the amount of time needed to write a manual or code that GUI-functions doesn't differ that much.

Yes, and with millions of limits and un-avoidable memory leaks... I agree, Blizzard could've done more for people wanting to learn JASS.

There only exists user-created tutorials, and few of them are really good. But if you want to learn it, check this, it's the best basics manual I've ever seen: Introduction to JASS

Why does everyone dump on GUI? Sure it is badly coded JASS and it does leak but it is still a good startoff point for people. Not everyone can just sit down, read a tutorial and learn something. And like I said before, for many things JASS isn't even needed, it only really shines when it comes to doing spells, which is really a very small part of map making if the you really think about.

Oh and next time that someone goes dumping on Blizzard for not giving us more stuff think about this, go an get 5 other RTS games. Now look at the sort of Editor support they give you, most games don't even give you an editor that can do more than place units and make some cool terrain, and very few actually give you the ability to create scenarios and/or campaigns.

Sure Blizzard could be doing more for us, but they have given us years of free online play and, with the exception of a few bad ones, good patch support throughout most of the time WC3 has been out.

Of course they could have written a Jass manual, but if they had done it INSTEAD of GUI, this would have detered many people, I think. But they nevertheless should have done it, in addition to the GUI to help advanced users and spellmakers to learn professional scripting of War3.

To say something to Spellforce/Phenomic: maybe this is a beautiful example of support, but
-the spellforce community is very much smaller than the warcraft community
-is there a spellforce World editor for Spellforce compareable to the one Blizzard gave us? I doubt it, also if I don't really know it.

MecheonYou say that WoW has "Hundreds of unfixed bugs"

Please point some of these bugs out to me

Oh, and I have a fairly meh internet connection and I don't get disconnected

And a disconnect every 5 hours? If that was true, then you would play for more than 5 hours, like about 10 hours

That's too much WoW

Ok,1st the bugs!Ohh and i didn't sayed "hundreds"!If u have gone to Stratholme(baron),ever got overtaked by the aboms while they respawn right after we kill them and even while we're fighting Ramstein at the same time....shouldn't happen,right?Ever got droped off zepelin or ship while ur on it OR get teleported right in the center of the ocean,...many times?Ever got attacked by neutral factions while u cast pet's spells(it's good that they finaly fixed that,too late tho!).And i'll point u one more bug,happened only one time but still ruined our MC run....after we entered noone could see
the others,pretty strange actuly....It's good that we atleast killed Gehennas...
And now to answer your other question,yes i do play 10+ hours,any problems with that?And yes i do get disc almost every 5hours!Anything more u gonna ask?

How worthless. I don't even like the majority of the new names for things. This should've been optional.

@vicky2004: Apparently yes I agree there are bugs still occuring in the game even with the best connection. Unfortunately for you, 10+ hours isn't here. What's wrong you ask? If you merely have it as a bad behavior, is it your life? Not that I'm flaming you like those video game haters that go "Stop wasting your life on WoW!" I'm pointing out the fact to balance. Don't you have a job? Or possibly go outside and exercise? Exactly what happened to Darky.

Damn, now that I've rambled, I need to give myself a good quote:

Sure, WoW takes a lot of my life. I've now stopped getting drunk or getting in jail. And now I don't smoke anymore.

*sigh*

PyrodactylFunny. I think blizzard got a little lazy lately. Anyone seen Starcraft and Diablo patches? Wel in SC the absolutley did not change anything, only fixed 1-3 bugs and thats all.

1-3 bugs=small patch for starcraft? what if i told you that starcraft patch 1.13 was all to do with patching EUD triggers out of the game (also other extented triggers), which were possibly the biggest mapmaking innovation in the history of starcraft. they were only patched because they could be used for viruses. dont beleive me? go to staredit.net and ask about it.

Oh my god then not 3 but 4 bugs fixed... And? What about the gameplay? Starcraft IS ballanced enough, but there are flaws. Like: these units are almost never used in a pro game: Scout, Queen, Wraith, Battlecruiser, Devourer, Valkyrie, Reaver. They should also do something about some abilities like: Optic Flare (have you ever seen anyone even researching this?), Feedback (almost never used), Ensnare (same as optic), Parasite, Broodling (rarely), Hallucination (not very often), Restoration, Mid Control (perhaps againist cap. ships, but there are cheaper and better counters)

So they should do something about these things IF they care about the community.

Warcraft: well i also use GUI since i had no time to try and learn jass (however i really want to learn it), but i think it's quite sucky and limited for spells, but enough for map triggers (though sometimes they leak, and by only using GUI, you cannot even fix this).

Blizzard: they have no current projects (WoW is done, only needs an exp, and Ghost is made by an other team), so they only have to do the patches. Is it so hard? Is it hard to ask the community what they need and try to make it? At least try!
Or are they working on a secret project? Then ANNOUNCE it! We are very curious!

I used to think of blizzard as the most community-friendly and overall the best game developer team, but they really ruined this image lately. I hope Blizzard will sometimes become as good as it was.

I also think it's a stupidity to make SC:Ghost a console only game. I'm a SC fan, i like the story and the game and i'm very disappointed that i will not know how the story continues. And will they ever release SC2? They are not even working on it i suppose... I think there won't be any SC2 at all.

Chuckle BrotherWhy does everyone dump on GUI? Sure it is badly coded JASS and it does leak but it is still a good startoff point for people. Not everyone can just sit down, read a tutorial and learn something. And like I said before, for many things JASS isn't even needed, it only really shines when it comes to doing spells, which is really a very small part of map making if the you really think about.

Cos JASS is better for everything, not only spells.

And btw, patch 1.19B is here.

@Waldbär:
Yep, the Spellforce editor is crappy. But at least, it was never meant to be released to the public, it's just that so many people asked for it, so they decided to give it to the people.

Of course the spellforce-community is much smaller, but so is the developer team and the money Jowood can spare for their work. Some weeks ago a bankruptcy proceeding did start, but luckily that problem got solved.

In contrast to that, Blizzard has a lot more employees and I don't even wanna start to talk about their financial status. All in all, this discussion is more about the general behaviour towards the community, and this behaviour is getting worse every day.

Blade.dk2
Cos JASS is better for everything, not only spells.

No it isn't, JASS done WELL is better for every. But how many truly great JASS users are there? I have seen loads of JASS-done things that are crude and don't flow well at all. It really has little to do with what method you are using so much as the skills behind your work.

lorothrigs

VexorianBy the way blizz should thank me since I was the one that found and explained how to fix those compile error bugs in GUI

Wow, elite programer?

GUI relies on txt files on the mpq of an easy format (ini)

That's one of the reasons I say this patch is not really good, all the World Editor related fixes are easy fixes to txt files instead of additions/fixes to wc3/world editor engine.

Bastards

Hello, Vex can u visit wc3c now?

BTW This is not a GUI/JASS discussion.. one1 have a suggestion of natives? .. And Vex did u ask them for a hashtable?