MindI'm afraid many members misinterpreted the question. The question is, in my insight: "Who is most powerful".
Illidan is definitely more powerful than Arthas. Arthas could have impossibly won the battle against Illidan, even if his powers were not diminished, if he was not aided by the formidable powers of Frostmourne.
Illidan has grown incredibly powerful; He consumed the energies of Gul'dan's skull.
If Arthas /only\ won because of Frostmourne, does the same not apply to Illidans strength ? Is he not /only\ powerful because of the Skull ?
They're both just as gay. They probably like having buttsex together. Blizzard has a tendency to make crappy characters for their stories. One sided, predictable and provokingly ugly. I hate em both. Blizzard made their biggest mistake when A: They came up with Night Elves for Warcraft 3 and B: When they came up with Arthas.
Arthas... why (almost at Kerrigan) because he's the warcraft 3 form of Kerrigan. -Assimulated-Undead -Works for bigger telepathic mind -Similar personality
-Do the math, almost everything they've done is the same in each game (as are most Starcraft/Warcraft storylines)
@Lord Finarfin: Images, funny, laugh... really you had me cracking up...
Mind Arthas' muscles are useless; Undead Creatures are fueled and held together by Ner'zhul's power and energy.
Arthas still is a human. nothing but a little pathetic human. He lacks everything that would make him a good warrior. And he really isn't undead. He just has no soul and is the lich kings little puppet. And mostly, he is controlled by rage. I wouldn't call that a good warrior, just because he has a tormented ex-orc telling him what to do. ^^
He had frostmourne when he met Illidan the first time, then they were evenly matched. After that, Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, becoming more powerful. Yes, Blizzard has really missed putting some things together here.
Arthas still is a human. nothing but a little pathetic human. He lacks everything that would make him a good warrior. And he really isn't undead. He just has no soul and is the lich kings little puppet.
He clearly is Undead. You cannot contradict that. His body is slowly rapidly rotting.
And mostly, he is controlled by rage. I wouldn't call that a good warrior, just because he has a tormented ex-orc telling him what to do. ^^
He is controlled by ultimate bloodlust. Not rage.
Kel'Thuzad was a human. A councillor of Lordaeron. Until he betrayed his country.
He had frostmourne when he met Illidan the first time, then they were evenly matched. After that, Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, becoming more powerful.
The power of Frostmourne depends on the Lich King's desire to empower it.
Blizzard made their biggest mistake when A: They came up with Night Elves for Warcraft 3 and B: When they came up with Arthas.
The Night Elves were not a bad idea at all, but those ancients are, to say the least, absurd.
Arthas still is a human. nothing but a little pathetic human. He lacks everything that would make him a good warrior. And he really isn't undead. He just has no soul and is the lich kings little puppet.
He clearly is Undead. You cannot contradict that. His body is slowly rapidly rotting.
Slowly rapidly? And as he is now, he is neither human or undead, but just a pinnacle of power, the essence of frost, psionics, and necromancy (or however you want to describe an 'ultimate undead power')
Mind
And mostly, he is controlled by rage. I wouldn't call that a good warrior, just because he has a tormented ex-orc telling him what to do. ^^
He is controlled by ultimate bloodlust. Not rage.
Kel'Thuzad was a human. A councillor of Lordaeron. Until he betrayed his country.
He's neither controlled by bloodlust or rage. And the ex-orc Finfarfin spoke about is of course Ner'zhul.
Mind
He had frostmourne when he met Illidan the first time, then they were evenly matched. After that, Illidan consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, becoming more powerful.
The power of Frostmourne depends on the Lich King's desire to empower it.
So, both Arthas and the Lich King -together- beat Illidan. Not Arthas solo.
Mind
Blizzard made their biggest mistake when A: They came up with Night Elves for Warcraft 3 and B: When they came up with Arthas.
The Night Elves were not a bad idea at all, but those ancients are, to say the least, absurd.
Ancients are a very understandable factor in the history of Warcraft. The idea of a "council of omnipotent beings" is as old as the ages.
...you guys need to go reread my comments. All I've said in this thread is that I like Illidan more becausse I like the Naga and Elves. DragonElement said something to me which I didn't understand clearly so I asked him to clarify. I haven't said anything else. So, I never said anything to you, Mind. Try to get your quotes right, boys.
Anyway on topic, in a contest of strength, Illidan is better. Remember in RoC where a level 10 Arthas fought a level 6 Illidan and they were even? At the beginning of the mission where Illidan consumed the skull of Gul'dan? And now Illidan is even stronger. I think Arthas only won that single combat because the Lich-King was practically sitting right next to them.
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Yeah, DragonElement, but Kerrigan was smart. Arthas is just some bumbling dufus with an incredibly powerful sword. He sucked ass in Human campaign until he got frostmourne, then he was like uber-junked-up-steroid-killeverythinginsight-dude. Also Kerrigan looked good (both Starcraft and W3sear.ch ones), even when she was zergified. Arthas is just... gross. (yes, I am a boy)
Illidan consumed the skull of guldan, which bolstered his overall strength. He doesn't hold it and get powerful, it is part of him. Its like the difference between a Tome of Strength +3 and Gauntlets of Ogre Strength. Also, you gotta cut Illidan some slack. How are you supposed to maintain your strength after 10,000 years?!?!? Hes only been out for the last 1/8 of RoC and TFT.
I don't really like either of them. I like Illidan as a unit better. Both characters suck. But I like the fast attacking, hard hitting demon hunter better than a death knight who can only seem to lift his sword every 3 seconds.
There is no way Arthas would have won. Illidan was demonized, had backing from Kil'Jaeden (orb), uber-fast attack, immolation, mana burn, dodging, and skull of guldan boost. Arthas is just some nerd with a sword and shield playing dress-up dnd. Whats he gonna do, death coil? Oh no! 100 damage!
I dont like either. My favorite characters are (in order) Maiev, Grom, Jaina, Cairne, Abub' Arack (however you spell it). Actually my favorite heroes are Warden and Blademaster...[/b]
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@PsychoMagnataur - heh, I kindda like the infested Kerrigan better is that wierd?
Well, obvious in a one-on-one, it is beyond my understanding how Arthas won the final duel, and yes, I too blame the near prescence of the Lichking. But that does not compromise Arthas position as a general of the undead horde - I believe the DK way more then the DH augments allied troops - so, in a way, its absurd Illidan is to lead the Naga nation.
Anyways, you could say, Arthas has greater ambitions than Illidan. Compared to destroying evil, taking over the world and lay waste to all good, is a much more preferable options aw, come on, don't tell me you are all Lawfull good chars
Mind He clearly is Undead. You cannot contradict that. His body is slowly rapidly rotting.
If Arthas body would start deacying, he would not look human. he would look like either a ghoul or a zombie. I haven't seen any sign of that, just that he is a tiny bit paler than me.
He is controlled by ultimate bloodlust. Not rage.
Kel'Thuzad was a human. A councillor of Lordaeron. Until he betrayed his country.
I would say rage. That was his problem already when he had a soul, which still lurked in the shadows until he and the lich king did that kinky stuff in the ens of the frozen throne.
Kel'Thuzad is just Arthas little deliveryboy, I was speaking of Nerzhul, the lich king himself.
And why would Kiljaeden, the one that made Nerzhul the lich king, use someone like Illidan, if he didn't belive that Illidan could kill the lich king?
The power of Frostmourne depends on the Lich King's desire to empower it.
that just sound stupid, no offense. but the lich king was stronger before arthas and illidans final battle. it really makes no sense. And Illidan also have many, many more years of training with his two swords, than Arthas has trained with his hammer or what prince-paladins now use. and it's a common rule, that the one that has more experience, beats the one with less experience.
is that wierd?